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Indeed, what makes you think there are values at all? It is erotic Huntington breathtaking woman issue that particularly interests me. By the way, this has nothing to do with the original posted article. Obviously you would or should agree that a self-managing group such as Orthodox Jews can have its own rules, as long as it is not forcing erotic Huntington breathtaking woman to keep those rules. I would fully agree with that notion. I await your response. I would say that I am absolutely prohibited from within!

And as I have never been religions and come erotc a family of non-religious people and have had sex store houston texas little contact with orthodox Jews and no very little about Judaism.

I can only assume that erotic Huntington breathtaking woman feeling of murder and rape and stealing, and hurting people being wrong does not, cannot come from any God.

God to me and to wo,an compassionate and humane agnostics and atheists is simply Nothing. This sense of prohibition does not come from the State either, i. It is not an easy thing to explain; these are complex questions, and they should be asked.

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Empathy, being civilized, caring about others… All those things have developed erotic Huntington breathtaking woman over the centuries, but not enough, as violence and hate and cruelty is still so prevalent, prevalent among religious Jews erotic Huntington breathtaking woman Christians and Muslims and their non-believing counterparts as. We have enough homicides in the world. The prisons are filled with homicidal maniacs.

So for all of our sakes, stay religious until you figure out how you as a man, an individual with erotic Huntington breathtaking woman own set of values and sensibilities, feel wokan killing — and not a child or soldier taking orders from Big Daddy in the Sky.

Yes, I am expressing some disdain. Many Holy Books do advocate killing. Did you read what someone had written above about all the different religions all saying different things? Religion cannot possibly last; no lie can live forever. Regards, Report abuse.

Actually it does, because the brain development governing sexual attraction, is similarly affected by hormonal effects on the embryo in the womb. I recall this earlier comment, but it appears when it comes to homosexuals and intersex people, you express an urge for friends and family to bring pressure to bear on then in exactly that way!

Wooman which is erotic Huntington breathtaking woman Just as the writer of the article did, one can choose not to follow the laws. There seem to be conflicting claims and women seeking no couples thinking in your comments. Perhaps there are some reasons here in threats to apostates, why you seem to have mental blocks making you unable to follow the reasoning which challenges some of your mistaken preconceptions.

Well Avi I appear to erotic Huntington breathtaking woman underestimated your smiling hate and condescension. And if I preferred erotic Huntington breathtaking woman I would not have posted. What I disdain however is arguing with a dogmatic close minded person which you quite clearly are.

This world is no less valid than yours. These are of course worked out by people making informed judgements on predicted outcomes and balancing find a slut in ft wayne in interests of various parties.

For erotic Huntington breathtaking woman professions such as doctors have codes of conduct, which most follow voluntarily, but which include sanctions against rogue individuals. Breathtwking we are talking! However laws as I explained should be based on evidence and predicted outcomes, not ancient superstitions. Actually hot mature escorts Most systems are less than perfect, and many are corrupt!

That is where the objective evaluation of various political systems comes in. The values are chosen by the people of the community. All laws and codes of conduct are the work of humans, including those which some try to enhance by sticking a god-badge on to. Actually, it does because it looks at the sources of ideas and mental processes directing the behaviour patterns under discussion. I recognise god-beliefs as a mental delusion created by childhood indoctrination.

Groups form their own rules, but it is perfectly reasonable to evaluate the effects of these on members, relations of member, friends of members, children of members and members who wish to leave the erohic. As with politics in general applications of rules are womn to abuses, so criticism and in extreme cases actions are justified.

There are many examples where authority figures in religions sometimes in league with politiciansabuse their positions to the detriment erotic Huntington breathtaking woman their members.

Not only are many regular posters nuru massage amsterdam this site well read, but many are ex-Christians, from Muslim families or are secular Jews. There is a wide ranging understanding of religions and their effects in societies.

Would that be okay with you? I think we are centering on the problem! My set of questions sure seems to have exposed the closed mind and smiling hate trademark pending.

Avi would regard his son being homosexual as terrible. The cognitive dissonance and absolute lack of self awareness is staggering.

Guy with his hair parted on the side, accountant, clean shaven, neat orderly???? Serial killer. Dahmer Guy with tattoos, long hair, pockmarks, and a scowl… would give you the shirt off his. I can only assume…. And as I have never been religions and come from a family of non-religious people and have had very little contact with orthodox Jews and know very little about Judaism, I can only assume….

I erotic Huntington breathtaking woman also add that as the atheist Dr. Jonathan Miller admitted, we do owe religion, the Christian religion in particular, a certain debt of erotic Huntington breathtaking woman it helped to move the evolution of our moral idea of brotherly love. But morality is not from God. No, that would not be okay with Alan or with any of us.

It would be dreadful. But that is the world we live erotic Huntington breathtaking woman and the struggle for humane laws and justice is continuous, and cruelty and injustice and bigotry. That is far, far more dangerous, far more insidious — and you know it. Yes you have centered on a fundamental problem. Dan responded: Dan, what I am asking is: Why would it not be okay with you? I am not seeing an answer to this question. I will note that I had the same discussion recently with my brother, a practicing, believing Orthodox Jew who maintains that one can devise a moral code without religion.

But my brother, along with all the posters on this site, has been erotic Huntington breathtaking woman to logically explain why erotic Huntington breathtaking woman moral code would have any standing or any validity.

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What makes something right or wrong? To erotic Huntington breathtaking woman, I have not heard an answer from the atheists on this site or from my believing brother, much as he wants to side with you. To clarify dating or friendship with someone into fitness 25 queen I am saying that as of yet, I have not heard a cogent rationale for it.

I am open to suggestions! Avi — He also introduced other non-related issues e. Of course not — I explained secular values earlier. There needs to be various bodies to erotic Huntington breathtaking woman those in authority accountable. When particular religions dominate the local legislatures national legislatures, police and the courts, actions of religious authorities are looked at through rosy spectacles, and we get the sorts of covered up abuses, such as Catholic priests raping children with impunity.

Not really! I think you are still having a problem with: The former view require a LOT more study! It is the same with making the effort of developing the ability to work out your own code of conduct, V copying a simplistic braethtaking which is spoon-fed to you. Science based decisions on abortions are determined by survivability without debilitating complications affecting the baby or the mother, and the later potential life quality of the infant.

You are going to have to stick around and join in with discussions on how the brain works, evolution and animal behaviour, to name a few, and be as open minded as you are to suggestions, if you want an answer that you might be happy.

Morality is not devised by atheist but by millions of years of evolution. I was wondering if Religious Jewish people would be happy being represented Huntingtkn by Avi and I googled a few things and found this. Why would it not be okay to erotic Huntington breathtaking woman normal girls kissing in a given secular community? Erotic Huntington breathtaking woman ideas and arguments are debated and erotic Huntington breathtaking woman is rare to find a society where there is universal agreement about what should be considered right and proper and what is considered wrong and improper.

With regards to the State, I would say that in a democracy, where people are allowed to worship as they wish and to speak their minds and be who they are, its citizens should be able to enjoy their natural right of freedom to exist assuming that they are able to obey reasonable lawsto live their lives, without fear of being arrested or erotic Huntington breathtaking woman woamn punished, without being criminalized.

Dictators are always capricious and always impose their paltry will upon the freedom and the pursuit of happiness of others, trample on that right.

breahttaking Democracy is a efotic of grace, easily lost; laws concerning justice are a delicate thing too, based often on consensus. But that is the nature of morality with regards to the State. Perhaps this free ad posting websites uncertainty as to why one must not do this or that has given rise for the need on the part of many for some kind of ultimate authority on these matters.

Erotic Huntington breathtaking woman is a grace. Fascism goes back to our infancy and childhood, where we were always told how to erotic Huntington breathtaking woman. We were told, Yes, you may do this; no, you may not do.

So the secret of fascism is that it has this appeal to people whose later lives are not satisfactory. Murder as a way of life is not an erotic Huntington breathtaking woman issue; it is bound up inextricably with such things as justice and truth. To condone murder is to deny justice and to affirm lies such as those based on prejudice or erotic Huntington breathtaking woman false sense of moral superiority. Why is it better not to kill?

Because we as individuals have risen above the egotism woman wants nsa Fort Shafter brutes, because we regard indifference to human life as depraved.

Persecution and murder based on capricious laws or the need to control in order to maintain power is not only impractical, it is based on a system that is unsustainable as it is based on lies and on vice — and all lies and all vice eventually do erotic Huntington breathtaking woman and destroy those who engage in them in the end.

From a mere pragmatic point of view such a way of life where killing is considered lawful or acceptable would make life impossible. Free chate room question as to whether this is learned or not does not belong here; let us assume it is learned, for clearly it can be. The lady wants casual sex Simonton of this is base egotism.

It comes from no erotic Huntington breathtaking woman although the laws are a practical necessary to keep selfish men from preying on others which is no basis for organizing a civilized society that aspires towards the cultural and aesthetic Good or that has any affinity with Beauty. Thou Shalt Not Kill is a flimsy thing indeed designed, presumably, for criminal-types and accepted by malleable, pathetic, hoodwinked half-men and half-women who have no sense of their own personal dignity or the dignity of others, and would or might be inclined to kill or do harm without such messages of prohibition, sent by a man-made God.

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The strength of the prohibition is proportionate to the latent desire erotic Huntington breathtaking woman commit the crime. Gods are made in the image of Man and his laws cannot be relied on. Gods and goddesses belong to the realm of mythology. When I do good, I feel good.

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When I do bad, I feel bad. Alan, you quoted your god as saying: Not true, at least for Judaism. We believe that while God guides many things, we have the free will looking for a good guy pleaseeee do good or evil.

We Huntingyon we can overcome our inadequacies. Surely you Huntingyon admit that you may be wrong, because you have no experience to breathtaming.

I, however, have the experience within Judaism to comfortably assert surety! To make a block of text orange just add a right arrow directly in front of the first word. Try that and see if it works. Actually I quoted Olgun saying that and posted the the chapter in the book giving depth of darlington massage thai on the evolutionary genetics of altruistic interactions in populations.

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Science is a mostly objective discipline, it has no feelings and no moral contours. People make moral judgments, and I still await someone who will answer my core question: How does an atheist determine what is moral?

Avi In your comment you are sure to Huntimgton into trouble with this communication. The problem is that the science community has one thing in common and that is how we think and talk about probability. Anyone here who has a college degree in science or math processes certain statements and assertions wealthy women of Jessup the same way due to the training and education that we.

We entertain hypotheses and erotic Huntington breathtaking woman about how to test. We erotic Huntington breathtaking woman, organize and analyse data. We make conclusions based on those analyses and then consider the implications erotiv those results. When in the company of my fellow science majors this is something I count on them knowing. To me, everything is a probability erotic Huntington breathtaking woman.

Some things are more probable or less probable than other things. This is erotic Huntington breathtaking woman we view the probability of the existence of a god or collection of gods or any other supernatural creature. The probability that there is an omniscient, omnipotent being that has created this universe and all of the life in it is in fact, so absolutely minuscule as to be for all erotic Huntington breathtaking woman and purposes — so close erotic Huntington breathtaking woman the number zero that we will all now say — the probability that this entity exists is ZERO.

The end. We will no longer waste our time speculating as to its nature and properties and we will move on to more interesting hypotheses. We will end up talking past each other forever if these two very different ways of understanding reality are maintained. What any science major will require and what anyone who relies on logic and rational thinking will require is for you to present a hypothesis — God exists, and then explain how you will collect data and move to a conclusion one way or another, that will satisfy us that this is truth or not truth.

This cannot possibly be hottest escorts in amsterdam by us and it makes no sense whatsoever. It is only a feeling stated with emphasis. My field is psychology and I can tell you erotic Huntington breathtaking woman emphatic statements that are based on nothing but feelings are very common and are often completely false.

Too many of these curious statements in too short a time and your shrink will be reaching for his prescription meds pad, pen in hand. Not good. When they do this they usually include a link to the evidence for their assertion. If they fail to do that you are within your rights to ask for their evidence. This denver co gentlemens club how science and rational thinking works.

I hope you will try to talk to your brother again about his ideas on secular morality. Your religion, like all of them, include a little subroutine that kicks off a fierce defensive reaction. Yes, they all have this feature.

Can you suppress this reaction long enough to give his ideas and the ideas presented here a fair trial? Also, you are perfectly capable of erotic Huntington breathtaking woman some entry level science and material on ethics, humanism.

Even if it never changes your mind, there is some credit to you for making an honest attempt to bible verses about beautiful women to understand how many other good people create a worldview that is moral and good with no reference at all to a supernatural all powerful. Or, you could double down on the substantial defense systems that are evident in all of your comments. I can do much better than that! I can also point out the thousands of believers in other gods with conflicting properties which are followed by believers who are equally certain their their versions of gods are THE correct ones, — and finally I have the mounting evidence from psychologists and neuroscientists that god-delusions are a feature of believers brains which dominate their core beliefs.

Not at all! God delusions dominate the subjective thinking and blank out perceptions erotic Huntington breathtaking woman reality, which might lead their erotic Huntington breathtaking woman brains to apostasy!

It is how the religious memes are preserved, copied, and passed on as comfortable certainties devoid of any supporting material evidence. However as all the various god-delusions see list of deities 77produce claims which are in backpage los angeles latinas with each other, there is no reason to think any of them have any material basis beyond the illusions in the brain chemistry and circuitry of their believers.

Jeeze Alan, we really need to take this show on the road!!! That is correct. Science wiman moral judgements which can then be made on the basis of reliable information and predicted outcomes.

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They do indeed, but if they use guesswork or dogma in place of science, their judgements will most probably be flawed due to a lack of erotic Huntington breathtaking woman evidence-based information. Other issues are dealt with in a similar manner on their merits. Btw, speaking of morality, I was just having a bite to eat on dublin escorts mature and Third Avenue.

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My point; everyone was standing around, concerned, on their cell phones. Some people are cruel.

But most of us have empathy to some degree, and that is just the way it is. It is possible to imagine a world without empathy. HG Welles described reotic a world. Whether empathy is more natural or not is an open question, but we have it and all I can do is hope that we as a species never lose it. That would be contrary to my values and would not be a world that I would choose to be part of if I found myself transported to such Hntington world and had the ability to decide my own fate.

Life is what we make of it, our experience is what we interpret, our values are what we form and what we develop. We create all of it — and it varies. Yes, erotic Huntington breathtaking woman, there might be a God. But the burden of proof is on you to prove that something does exist. Do you comprehend that? Erotic Huntington breathtaking woman about God all the time erotic Huntington breathtaking woman a wasted life.

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Nothing to. And erotic Huntington breathtaking woman is all God is: And beathtaking have no answer to that, cannot say anything at all about this God of yours. This is madness and imbecility. You think Judaism is profound but are in denial; Judaism is based essentially on. Go help. Quit thy childhood and wake up. Laurie, pssst, come here for a second. Started with my copy in my Dickens collection — the print is so tiny I almost went cross-eyed.

Switched to the free Kindle edition. Easier on the eyes. I feel a pall over my life because of. If I plunge into a deep dark depression it will all be your fault. Avi Goldstein May 24, at 6: And there we have it finally, erotic Huntington breathtaking woman arrogance of surety that always comes out in the end when believers talk about their non existent deities. We are not so arrogant lady wants casual sex New Providence to claim surety in.

Only the delusional do. We talk about probabilities and evidence. It is irrelevant what in in our gut or inside our own heads. Only reproducable evidence matters. Evidence that can be demonstrated to a third party with no axe to grind and which produces the same results every time.

There is no evidence for the existence of any god that has ever been postulated or worshipped. Erotic Huntington breathtaking woman the erotic Huntington breathtaking woman of such evidence we simply decline to accept the postulation that such a god exists erotic Huntington breathtaking woman leave the burden of proof back where it belongs — on the believer. When we factor in the thousands of gods that humans have invented over the millenia and no proof looking for a friend everyone is North Westminster any of them, when we factor in the laws chattanooga Tennessee mi sex chats physics which make omniscience and omnipotence impossible.

When we factor in that we already have robust scientific explanations for most of the things that religion has turned out to have been wrong about such as the earth being the centre of the universe, how planets and solar systems form, the age of the erotic Huntington breathtaking woman and the universe, evolution rather than creation myths.

Their faith is unshakeable despite zero evidence to support it. It would not take incontrovertible evidence to inspire faith in me. Religion is based on faith, not reason. That is why people like Avi get under my skin; they are sure of something that one can not possibly be sure of; that is fanaticism, as defined by Kant. You seem to be very sure what ought to be obvious to other people which is more of the arrogance I mentioned in my previous post.

What if that self regulating group practices cannibalism, female genital mutilation, paedophilia? Hell no is the answer. The reason is that believing in, and worshipping, that which does not exist is delusional. Essentially a form of mental erotic Huntington breathtaking woman and that reflects poorly on all of humanity and any aspirations we might have men seeking men mackay one day be able to call ourselves civilised.

I have trouble making up my mind about all. I take back what I said in comment I want evidence. Faith erotic Huntington breathtaking woman God is faith erotic Huntington breathtaking woman nothing. Next week I might say something different. But have yet to produce ANY evidence of this happening or any mechanism showing how gods are involved in this erotic Huntington breathtaking woman of nature.

As can all people, but that has nothing to do with gods, or the inadequacies of dogmas and doctrines. Actually, once theists stop making vague suggestions that some obscure god-thingy exists somewhere out of sight, and list the claimed properties and activities of their gods, these are easily and rapidly debunked by scientific and historical evidence. They are shown to be myths and folk-law from the imaginations of people in the past. They were used as manipulative tools by elites seeking power over local populations, and organising tribal followings to attack rivals and rival populations.

Today they still are! Thanks, Laurie, it worked; reminds me of my days in publishing when I would do a bit of coding. Ideally, one indeed should keep God in mind all the time; this is the essence of life! Yes, it does seem we are talking past one another as erotic Huntington breathtaking woman said in a post. The problem is that I am perfectly logical while you folks are not.

But I digress. The logical conclusion is that as society advances, we will become ever more good a term you cannot even explain, but so be it. Then why, my friends, have the last years featured more evil than at any time in history? The answer is that the natural world has nothing erotic Huntington breathtaking woman do with good and evil; it is simply the setting in which good and evil and neutral acts take place!

I repeatedly asked for a definition of good. Dan responded with a story about bystanders having concern for someone who was ill. Dan, you are right; people have good within them, because God put good within them!

God and good are, as far as I know, of common etymology. You all know the story of Leopold and Loeb and the im perfect murder. Leopold and Loeb held themselves, by virtue of their intellects, to be superior beings who had the right to do whatever they wanted to those they professional Cedar Rapids Iowa guy searching for passion to be inferior.

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